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Dec. 14th, 2008 09:51 pm
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For those on my flist who are familiar with Stargate the movie. For purposes of background information regarding Sha're:

I think seen references that she learned to read in spite of that not being the norm for females. Is this correct? Are there other subtle or not-so-subtle examples of subversion or rebellion on her part that you can think of?

Date: 2008-12-15 04:10 am (UTC)
ext_3557: annerb icon with scenes of all team variations, my OTP (SG-1 OTP)
From: [identity profile] aurora-novarum.livejournal.com
No, IIRC. She learned to read in spite of it being forbidden for all the Abydonians, not just women.

She and a few others snuck into the caves anyway. She didn't want it known, but then cautiously revealed it to Daniel when she realized how frustrated he was, and that he wanted to write. She's the one who brought him to the caves.

She was the one who told Skaa'ra and the boys they must learn what Daniel taught her and set up the rebellion that rescued the survivors of the Earth expedition. Kasuf believes they should not have helped the strangers after Ra attacked Nagada, but she says: " Skaara, Nabeh, I want you to listen. We can't let this happen. I want you to know what Daniel told me about where our people came from, and why we can no longer live as slaves."

She also goes with the boys and Daniel and O'Neil when they assault the pyramid (she's crappy using a gun, but she is trying to fight alongside her husband).

Here's a transcript

Date: 2008-12-15 04:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suzannemarie.livejournal.com
Ooo I think that's even better for what I want.

There is a transcript. I should have looked for that first.

Thanks!

Date: 2008-12-15 04:53 am (UTC)
ext_3557: annerb icon with scenes of all team variations, my OTP (Jack grammar)
From: [identity profile] aurora-novarum.livejournal.com
Well, I only did it last February...and as far as I know, it's even the only movie one out there in fandom. There was another one on Solutions, but it was more a script draft and had screwups.

Yay for canon working! :-D

Date: 2008-12-15 06:56 am (UTC)
ext_1941: (Sha'uri)
From: [identity profile] sg-fignewton.livejournal.com
::points at icon::

Sha'uri inspired the rebellion. Awesome, awesome woman.

No one knew how to read - it was forbidden to everyone on Abydos, not just women - so the question, of course, is how Sha'uri knew how to teach Daniel? There's some lovely fanon out there (and I wish I could remember who first suggested it) that there was a quiet, subversive tradition among the elder women of each generation, choosing a few female acolytes to whom they passed down the secret forbidden knowledge of reading. It's more likely that Sha'uri couldn't read at all; when she showed Daniel the symbols, he was muttering out loud to himself, and she caught enough fragments to recognize it as something similar to her own language. She started correcting his pronounciation, but she didn't match the sounds with the symbols until Daniel pointed at each one in turn and asked for it.

Whichever theory is the right one, it's unquestionably true that Sha'uri dared to draw symbols in the sand for Daniel, even when she assumed he was Ra's emissary. She took him to the catacombs with their hidden story - and they had to shove stones out of their way, so it's clear that she was one of a very few who knew it existed. And when Daniel and Jack and the others were taken, and the city of Nagada was bombed, Sha'uri was the one who showed Skaara and the boys their history and demanded that they stand up and fight.

Erm. Yeah. You might notice I like the woman, just a tad... :)

If you're interested, I have a rather detailed essay on Sha'uri, as portrayed in the movie, over here (http://community.livejournal.com/redial_the_gate/4773.html).

Date: 2008-12-15 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suzannemarie.livejournal.com
Erm. Yeah. You might notice I like the woman, just a tad... :)

Really? I wouldn't have guessed!

Seriously, thanks. I'm going to be taking a look at the essay. I'm finally getting around to my FiAD AU story. It seems to be taking on a slightly larger scope than I originally had in mind. References to that past are going to be a part of it.

Date: 2008-12-15 03:22 pm (UTC)
ext_1941: (sha're)
From: [identity profile] sg-fignewton.livejournal.com
Eeeee!

If there is any kind of fic that triggers my MUST READ RIGHT NOW buttons, it is FIAD AUs in which Sha're survives. And larger scope! Much glee.

You didn't actually say she'll survive, actually, but, y'know, guessing here...

If you need a beta, you know where to find me, right? :)

Date: 2008-12-15 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suzannemarie.livejournal.com
...it is FIAD AUs in which Sha're survives...

uh oh. That may not be quite the direction it's going to go.

Date: 2008-12-15 05:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sg-fignewton.livejournal.com
Ah, well. More Sha're is the most important thing. I can live with that. ::nods::

Date: 2008-12-15 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suzannemarie.livejournal.com
Upon further thought, I'm not averse to also coming up with an AU in which she survives. Will ponder further.

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